Proposal To Ban Guns
Last Post 27 May 2011 09:14 AM by Porknbeans. 17 Replies.
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Phez NutUser is Offline Pheasant Egg Pheasant Egg Send Private Message Posts:5 Phez Nut
19 Mar 2009 08:55 AM

    Obama is “limiting” the 2nd Amendment through his Attorney General Eric Holder who has quietly introduced legislation to curtail ownership of guns by individuals throughout our United States.

    Berg stated, “Wake up America! Obama is attempting to limit your gun ownership rights by secretly introducing legislation through Attorney General Eric Holder, said legislation to curtail gun ownership!”
    Berg continued, “ It is very important to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House. This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009. [I learned about this from the Peter Boyles radio program.] Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under the radar. To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009.

    Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

    •It is registered
    •You are fingerprinted
    •You supply a current Driver's License
    •You supply your Social Security #
    •You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing
    •Each update - change of ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.
    •There is a child provision clause on page 16, section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.

    They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and violations are punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

    Listen to Peter Boyles - on KHOW 630 AM in Colorado in the morning. He suggests the best way to fight this is to tell all your friends about it and spring into action. Also he suggests we all join a pro-gun group like the Colorado Rifle Association, hunting associations, gun clubs and especially the NRA.

    Remember - If you take my gun, only the criminal will have one to use against me. HR 45 only makes individuals less safe.”

    PorknbeansUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:542 Porknbeans
    09 Jul 2009 06:34 AM

    Phez, on the child provision clause are there conditions to entry into your house (ie subpeona, search warrant, occupant is at home, etc.)?  If not it sounds like a case for illegal search and seizure.


    Porknbeans Grand High Pooba of the Fraternal Order of Procrastinators
    Capt. HookUser is Offline Pheasant Egg Pheasant Egg Send Private Message Posts:19 Capt. Hook
    26 Aug 2009 04:37 PM
    Please need to understand what this man is trying to do! He is trying to take away your right as a gun owner! As, I live in Chicago and it's about 10 time worse here. We have all these people, that he has brain washed into what he likes to call a "CHANGE"
    So tell me this what has this change done for you? I attend every protest aginst each one of these bills, and it's a war zone out there. As for the people that think this bill won't affect you, start doing some homework on it and all the other bull#$&% that comes out of this mans mouth!
    "His head on my knee can heal my human hurts. He has promised to wait for me..whenever... wherever — in case I need him. And I expect I will — as I always have. He is just my dog." Gene Hill
    PorknbeansUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:542 Porknbeans
    27 Aug 2009 05:38 AM
    Capt. I completely agree. I spent a long weekend visiting friends in your fair city not that long ago and was surprised to get a feel for the atmosphere and restrictions. I wish you the best of luck in your battle. We'll keep up the good fight on our side too.
    Porknbeans Grand High Pooba of the Fraternal Order of Procrastinators
    Graybird66User is Offline Pheasant Egg Pheasant Egg Send Private Message Posts:21 Graybird66
    27 Aug 2009 12:16 PM
    Whenever I get things over the internet I always go to and check them out. This is a kinda old story, but it is true.
    grouchyolddudeUser is Offline Happy Puppy Happy Puppy Send Private Message Posts:173 grouchyolddude
    28 Aug 2009 08:06 AM
    ..some states are taking action
    grouchyolddudeUser is Offline Happy Puppy Happy Puppy Send Private Message Posts:173 grouchyolddude
    28 Aug 2009 08:07 AM

    Obama's First Six Months' Accomplishments

    1. Offended the Queen of England ..
    2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia .
    3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega.
    4. Kissed Socialist Hugo Chavez on the cheek.
    5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia .
    6. Sided with Hugo Chavez and Communist Fidel Castro against Honduras .
    7. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions while
    they're building their nuclear weapons.
    8. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.
    9. Expanded the bailouts.
    10. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian.
    11. Doubled our national debt.
    12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the day
    after North Korea launched an ICBM.
    13. Released information on U.S. intelligence gathering despite urgings of
    his own CIA director and the prior four CIA directors.
    14. Accepted without comment that five of his cabinet members cheated
    on their taxes and two other nominees withdrew after they couldn't
    take the heat.
    15. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who identified military veterans
    and abortion opponents as "dangers to the nation."
    16. Ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used and instead refers
    to such acts as "man made disasters."
    17. Circled the globe to publicly apologize for America 's world leadership.
    18. Told the Mexican president that the violence in their country was
    because of us.
    19. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from the
    Department of Commerce.
    20. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced
    removal and expulsion to Cuba of a 9-year-old whose mother died trying
    to bring him to freedom in the United States .
    21. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who
    threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the
    Bush administration may stand trial for "torturing" three 9/11 terrorists by
    pouring water up their noses.
    22. Low altitude photo shoot of Air Force One over New York City that
    frightened thousands of New Yorkers.
    23. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure them that the US
    will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their
    own with the Muslims.
    24. Praised Jimmy Carter's trip to Gaza where he sided with terrorist Hamas
    against Israel .
    25. Nationalized General Motors and Chrysler while turning shareholder control
    over to the unions and freezing out retired investors who owned their bonds.
    Committed unlimited taxpayer billions in the process.
    26. Passed a huge energy tax in the House that will make American industry
    even less competitive while costing homeowners thousands per year.
    27. Announced nationalized health care "reform" that will strip seniors of their
    Medicare, cut pay of physicians, increase taxes yet another $1 trillion, and
    put everyone on rationed care with government bureaucrats deciding who
    gets care and who doesn't. (See cartoon.)

    Bloomberg: Daschle says, "Health care reform will not be pain free. Seniors should
    be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them,"
    while former Colorado Governor Dick Lamm says seniors have "a duty to die."

    If this does not sufficiently raise your ire, just remember that the President,
    Senators and Congressmen have their own special gold plated health care plan
    which is guaranteed the remainder of their lives and they are not subject to this
    new law if they pass it.

    Please use the power of the Internet to get this message out. Talk it up at the
    grassroots level. We have an election coming up in one year and four months
    where we can reverse the dangerous direction of the Obama administration and
    its allies. In the interim, we can make their lives miserable. Lets do it!

    If you disagree, don't do anything.
    dogpowerUser is Offline Pheasant Chick Pheasant Chick Send Private Message Posts:60 dogpower
    28 Aug 2009 10:22 AM
    Careful, Grouchy. Posting this kind of "misleading" information can get your name in the Whitehouse "enemies" database. By the way, you forgot to put that database gathering thing on your list of the Great One's accomplishments.
    grouchyolddudeUser is Offline Happy Puppy Happy Puppy Send Private Message Posts:173 grouchyolddude
    29 Aug 2009 07:30 AM
    hee hee .. I think being an enemy of this administration is one of the nicest things I've ever been called!
    PorknbeansUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:542 Porknbeans
    30 Aug 2009 08:58 AM
    Grouchy, I like the way you stated the facts without being political about it.

    Porknbeans Grand High Pooba of the Fraternal Order of Procrastinators
    NYclaybreakerUser is Offline Pheasant Egg Pheasant Egg Send Private Message Posts:5 NYclaybreaker
    29 Apr 2010 10:09 AM
    we have the right to defend ourselves...ecspecially from the government...I live in NY and its deffinately no peach here...Gov. Patterson recently attempted to outlaw any rifled barrel slug guns as .50 caliber weapons...(12ga. is actually .68) and any .50 caliber rifles.
    grouchyolddudeUser is Offline Happy Puppy Happy Puppy Send Private Message Posts:173 grouchyolddude
    24 Jul 2010 08:13 AM

    From My Cold Dead Hand
    By Francis W. Porretto

    It's been awhile since I really reflected on the nature of a free people -- a people determined to remain free, and possessed of the means to do so.

    Armament is critical, of course. If your adversary is armed and you aren't, you're in the position of a grasshopper trying to face down a lawn mower. We might make admiring note of your courage in our elegies, but we surely won't be attending your victory parade.

    Also, one must be careful not to hand any levers to a potential tyrant. There are a number of things Man requires to survive and flourish: air, food, water, the ability to move about, the ability to communicate with others, heat, fuel, many kinds of knowledge, the cooperation of others with different kinds of knowledge, and so on. Whenever any entity moves to monopolize access to any of these or the other necessities of survival, it's nominated itself Tyrant-In-Embryo. Abort!

    But both the above are resultants of a far more critical, indeed, a fundamental requirement of the free man. No one can remain free, no one can ensure the freedom of his descendants, unless he nurtures and transmits to those around him the essential defiance that animates all the other freedom-conserving behaviors.

    We see a lot of bumper stickers that run roughly as follows:

    They Can Have My Gun
    When They Pry It
    From My Cold Dead Hand!

    I can only applaud the sentiment... if it's genuine. How often is it genuine?

    Test yourself, as sincerely as you can. Imagine that tomorrow, without warning, a deputy sheriff were to appear at your door with a clipboard and demand that you surrender your guns to him. Imagine that he knows accurately how many guns you have, and what types they are. (It shouldn't be hard to imagine this, since de-facto owner registration of firearms has been in place for some years now. Why else would you be required to show proof of identity when buying a rifle?) How would you react?

    Well? The deputy sheriff is waiting.

    I regret to say that most gun owners would resist with at most a question about the legal basis for the sheriff's demand. If he replied with anything even vaguely plausible, they would comply, even though the right to own weapons is recognized by the U.S. Constitution as an absolute, to be infringed by no one.

    Why do I say this? Because it's happened. It's here.

    After the race troubles of the summers of 1964 and 1965, several major cities, New York prominent among them, imposed unConstitutional new restrictions and requirements on weapons ownership. The residents of those cities went along without significant opposition. To the best of my knowledge, none of the restrictions were ever rolled back, though the supposed dangers they were put in place to forestall (e.g., here in New York, we heard a lot about "urban snipers") failed to materialize.

    California, more recently, passed a law forbidding the ownership of an "assault weapon," a category so broadly defined that virtually any semiautomatic rifle would qualify under a liberal interpretation of the standard. The law became effective on January 1, 2000. I have heard no report of any opposition to this patently, blatantly unConstitutional law in the Golden State.

    Now, about those bumper stickers...

    I'm not saying that it would be easy to refuse that deputy sheriff. I'm not saying there wouldn't be risks. I am saying that unless the will and determination to refuse him are present in a large percentage of the citizenry, the country will lose the liberties that the right of private firearms ownership was intended to safeguard.

    Without that ineradicable defiance, that willingness to spit into the face of "authority," firearms are mere trinkets.

    Every major gun confiscation known to history has been followed by the erection of a totalitarian regime. It's not as if we didn't have a little history on the matter. When they come for our guns, we'll know what they're about.

    Over the past century, liberty has been flensed away from Americans, slice after thin slice. That's the way to subordinate a free people. Get them used to bending the knee and tugging the forelock in little things first, things that don't appear to be relevant to them personally. Get them thinking that only antisocial curmudgeons would raise a fuss over matters as trivial as zoning restrictions, or licensing requirements for hairdressers. Better yet, get them thinking that anyone who would resist these "obviously desirable" new requirements of the law must want to do them harm.

    With each slice of lost liberty has gone a little of the defiance that animates a free people. We're closing in on the point of no return, the threshold that, once crossed, will become an impenetrable wall that forbids us a backward step.

    In parallel with the loss of personal defiance has gone a slackening of the national will toward foreign enemies. The recent contretemps with the Chinese is an important harbinger of things to come. Few have dared to suggest that, when America puts young men and women into uniforms and weapons into their hands, it's preparing them to risk their lives for some purpose beyond a trade agreement. Few have dared to suggest that a country whose government dares to take Americans hostage, to stake their lives and freedom as counters in a game, has committed an act of war, an act to which a country with dignity could respond in only one way.

    We have become comfortable with subordination at home and humiliation abroad.

    The red and white stripes wobble and weave. The starry blue field softens and begins to run. The borders dissolve, the colors blend, and soon there is only a uniform dull brown. The color of mud. The color of failure, The color of the loss of hope. And the hand that holds liberty's banner aloft slackens, and fails, and becomes cold.

    ANTI-HUNTING GROUP ANNOUNCES TRADITIONAL AMMO ATTACK . . . In a fundraising e-mail sent last week, the Center for Biological Diversity, an extremist anti-hunting organization, announced the launching of a national campaign to ban the use of traditional ammunition throughout the U.S. This campaign will begin next month. NSSF considers the protection of traditional ammunition -- specifically the ability of hunters and sportsmen to continue choosing for themselves what ammunition they shoot -- a legislative, regulatory and legal priority. Learn more about helping to preserve your right to use traditional ammunition:

    grouchyolddudeUser is Offline Happy Puppy Happy Puppy Send Private Message Posts:173 grouchyolddude
    29 Aug 2010 05:52 AM
    PLEASE, I urge everyone to speak out and allow "us" to be heard and share this among other shooting enthusiasts.

    All Gun Owners, Hunters and Shooters:

    With the fall hunting season fast approaching, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) under Lisa Jackson, who was responsible for banning bear hunting in New Jersey, is now considering a petition by the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) - a leading anti-hunting organization - to ban all traditional ammunition under the Toxic Substance Control Act of 1976, a law in which Congress expressly exempted ammunition. If the EPA approves the petition, the result will be a total ban on all ammunition containing lead-core components, including hunting and target-shooting rounds. The EPA must decide to accept or reject this petition by November 1, 2010, the day before the midterm elections.

    Today, the EPA has opened to public comment the CBD petition. The comment period ends on October 31, 2010.

    The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) -- the trade association for the firearms, ammunition, hunting and shooting sports industry -- urges you to submit comment to the EPA opposing any ban on traditional ammunition. Remember, your right to choose the ammunition you hunt and shoot with is at stake.

    The EPA has published the petition and relevant supplemental information as Docket ID: EPA-HQ-OPPT-2010-0681. If you would like to read the original petition and see the contents of this docket folder, please click here. In order to go directly to the 'submit a comment' page for this docket number, please click here.

    NSSF urges you to stress the following in your opposition:

    * There is no scientific evidence that the use of traditional ammunition is having an adverse impact on wildlife populations.
    * Wildlife management is the proper jurisdiction of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services and the 50 state wildlife agencies.
    * A 2008 study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on blood lead levels of North Dakota hunters confirmed that consuming game harvested with traditional ammunition does not pose a human health risk.
    * A ban on traditional ammunition would have a negative impact on wildlife conservation. The federal excise tax that manufacturers pay on the sale of the ammunition (11 percent) is a primary source of wildlife conservation funding. The bald eagle's recovery, considered to be a great conservation success story, was made possible and funded by hunters using traditional ammunition - the very ammunition organizations like the CBD are now demonizing.

    * Recent statistics from the United States Fish and Wildlife Service show that from 1981 to 2006 the number of breeding pairs of bald eagles in the United States increased 724 percent. And much like the bald eagle, raptor populations throughout the United States are soaring.

    Steps to take:

    1. Submit comment online to the EPA.

    2. Contact Lisa Jackson directly to voice your opposition to the ban:

    Lisa P. Jackson
    Administrator, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
    1200 Pennsylvania Ave., NW
    Washington, DC 20460
    (202) 564-4700
    Fax: (202) 501-1450

    3. Contact your congressman and senators and urge them to stop the EPA from banning ammunition. To view a sample letter, click here.
    PorknbeansUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:542 Porknbeans
    31 Aug 2010 06:28 AM
    Thanks for the update.
    Porknbeans Grand High Pooba of the Fraternal Order of Procrastinators
    grouchyolddudeUser is Offline Happy Puppy Happy Puppy Send Private Message Posts:173 grouchyolddude
    01 Sep 2010 06:14 AM
    Good news!....

    On Friday, the Environmental Protection Agency denied a petition that called for an EPA ban on the production and distribution of lead in ammunition. In his explanation of the ruling, EPA assistant administrator for the Office of Chemical Safety and Pollution Prevention Steve Owens said the reasoning behind the decision was simple:

    "EPA reached this decision," he wrote, "because the agency does not have the legal authority to regulate this type of product under the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA)." It was the clause following that explanation that has the firearms industry celebration: "...nor is the agency seeking such authority."

    The back story on a ruling that denied the petition filed by the American Bird Conservancy and the Center for Biological Diversity is more interesting that the short statement from assistant administrator Owens, however, is considerably deeper than a jurisdictional decision. It may, in fact, point to the idea that it might not be too-late to restore some sanity to the increasing encroachment of the federal government into our lives.

    On Wednesday, the firearms industry issued an unprecedented call to action, asking shooters across the country to let the EPA know that a ruling banning lead would be viewed as a political, not scientific decision. In fact, language many of us provided our readers, members or friends from the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) stated clearly that such a decision would be based on something other than demonstrable scientific findings.
    PorknbeansUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:542 Porknbeans
    03 Sep 2010 07:13 AM
    Good news!!
    Porknbeans Grand High Pooba of the Fraternal Order of Procrastinators
    DogmanUser is Offline Pheasant Egg Pheasant Egg Send Private Message Posts:1 Dogman
    02 Apr 2011 09:02 AM
    " Only a Criminal, Tyrant, or a Tyrannical Federal, State, County, or Local Government is afraid of the Armed American Citizen."... " Try living Free in America without your Guns and your Ammo; I dare you."...
    PorknbeansUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:542 Porknbeans
    27 May 2011 09:14 AM
    What is the update on all of this stuff?
    Porknbeans Grand High Pooba of the Fraternal Order of Procrastinators