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New pup.....Mutt or Huntin Dog
Last Post 20 Oct 2009 06:22 PM by coolcreekretrievers. 12 Replies.
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kodaboy12User is Offline Pheasant Egg Pheasant Egg Send Private Message Posts:4 kodaboy12
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31 Aug 2009 02:40 PM

    Some friends recently bought a black lab, but had to get rid of him after two days because their boy was allergic.  They were on their way to the pound with him when we found out, so we drove 3 hours to Utah to pick this little guy up.  He is a black lab, but looks to have a bit of something else in him.  He looks like a great pup and he has taken to being house trained real well.  He is only 8 weeks old and loves to fetch already.  I know as a lab he is naturally curious about fetching and swimming, but do mutts hunt well? 

    How to I get moving in the right direction to get him trained to retrieve?  We hunt quail and chukar out here in the desert and that is what I need him to retrieve.  If you have any books or DVDs that you recommend that won't put me in the poor house I would appreciate it.

    HillbillyUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:706 Hillbilly
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    31 Aug 2009 04:26 PM
    I'd start playing fetch with him in a hallway. Use a little bumper with wings taped to it it will get him started bring it straight back with feathers in his mouth. As for him maybe being a mut I wouldn't worry to much if you teach him what you want he should do ok. As for book look at Richard Wolters Game Dog. Some of the other guys on here should have some more good imput on this to.
    Life's Short Play Hard
    BobUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:550 Bob
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    31 Aug 2009 09:35 PM
    I have always liked "Gun Dog Training" by Kenneth C. Roebuck I would get him started right now on not being Gun Shy. This is how I do it and it is easy to do. I like to them to field where they get use to running in the weeds. In your area maybe the desart, someplace where the cover is close to what it will be hunting. I prefer the .32 blank pistol for it has a slightly louder bang. But they are harder to find.

    Get a .32/22 blank pistol, carry it in your back pocket. Take the dog for a run in a field and let get out like it normally does. Then behind your back, don't let the dog see the gun. Fire one shot. Do nothing just keep walking. If the dog comes back to you for support "DO and SAY NOTHING" just keep walking. Let things get back to normal and then fire another shot. Do exactly as before just keep walking. This is good for 3 times then stop. It will take several trips before the dog will not even look at you or around. You want it to just keep running. Then you will know the bangs will not affect it.......Bob
    My Dog And I Are A Team. We Practice Every Day. I Always Trust Tony, He Knows More Than I do.
    kodaboy12User is Offline Pheasant Egg Pheasant Egg Send Private Message Posts:4 kodaboy12
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    01 Sep 2009 09:35 AM
    Hillbilly/Bob,
    Thanks for the suggestions. I am getting his dew claws removed (I heard it was necessary/a good idea for pups that will be in the brush, thoughts??) and then I will get him in the field. I have checked both of the books out as suggested and have started reading them. Thanks for the tips there. Koda is now going to the door when he needs to go outside to use the bathroom. We have only had 2 full days, so I think he is a smart pup. On a seperate note, Koda loves to chew on just about anything. Is it a problem to let him chew on his rawhides and tennis balls? When we play fetch I don't let him chew on the ball after retreiving, but is it okay to chew on it once we are done playing? Anyway, if there are any other good beginner tips I would appreciate it. Koda will be my first retriever and I am trying to do this right! Thank you guys again.
    WestforkUser is Offline Send Private Message Posts:50 Westfork
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    01 Sep 2009 03:34 PM

    All dogs want to chew some more than others.  It is good for them but be careful of rawhide or materials that a large amount can be swallowed.  I know of several cases of intestinal blocks due to  rawhide.  One dog died!!!!!!   Get a good chew toy and when they chew on something they shouldn't replace it with the toy. The Kong Treat Chews are one of the best I have used.  You can put peanut butter in the center and it will keep them entertained for a while.

    BobUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:550 Bob
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    01 Sep 2009 04:15 PM
    I have always used raw hide chews yes they do bite off big pieces at times. I always kept an eye on my dog and never allowed chews outside of where I could watch it. Like in bed or a kennel. Sometimes I have used they love is a big beef Knuckle Bone. They can chew one of them for quite a while. but have a rug or something for the dog to chew on. The grease from the bone could get into your carpet......Bob
    My Dog And I Are A Team. We Practice Every Day. I Always Trust Tony, He Knows More Than I do.
    HillbillyUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:706 Hillbilly
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    02 Sep 2009 03:16 PM
    I use 5" slit beef bones this way they get all the marrow. I give them mostly in the winter so they have something to do and it's good for them.
    Life's Short Play Hard
    Craig BurrusUser is Offline Pheasant Egg Pheasant Egg Send Private Message Posts:4 Craig Burrus
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    05 Sep 2009 10:47 AM
    Be careful with the chew toys, even a Kong. I heard the Kong was indestructible so I got one for my two year old springer that still liked to chew. A big vet bill to remove chunks of the Kong from her intestine proved that wrong. I later heard the different colors of a Kong mean how tough it is but that was the last Kong I plan on buying. I think its hard to beat the old tennis ball.
    As for Koda having more than just lab in him, I read an article a while back in Gun Dog where the author was talking about how his first pheasant dogs were mutt farm dogs. In a nutshell He said they were not flashy but were very effective. He even confessed his first pheasant was shot over a poodle. Every purebreed hunting dog out there was at one time someone's idea on combining two or more breeds.
    BuckeyeUser is Offline Pheasant Egg Pheasant Egg Send Private Message Posts:31 Buckeye
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    06 Sep 2009 11:49 AM
    I have found that even the "tough" toys aren't so tough. I pretty much use the smoked cow hooves, they are hard to break up, and they last longer than anything else. the only time I've had a problem is if they have been smoked too much
    PorknbeansUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:542 Porknbeans
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    09 Sep 2009 01:19 PM
    A good number of hunting dogs are cross breads for either a specific climate or quarry from some bygone time. Yes, mutts can hunt but as suggested, you need to work to bring those traits out. Good luck.
    Porknbeans Grand High Pooba of the Fraternal Order of Procrastinators
    BobUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:550 Bob
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    10 Sep 2009 11:38 AM
    I was once told many years ago in Minnesota, any cross-breed that has some hunting blood/genes in it. Will hunt good, all it needs is proper training......Bob
    My Dog And I Are A Team. We Practice Every Day. I Always Trust Tony, He Knows More Than I do.
    BigRoosterUser is Offline Pheasant Egg Pheasant Egg Send Private Message Posts:24 BigRooster
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    09 Oct 2009 10:07 AM

    I realize this thread is a month old, but I wanted to suggest for anyone using this info that for my pup, the .22 blank was a bit too loud at first and of course I couldn't shoot it in the house.  The best way to introduce a gun is through association with things the dog enjoys.. one thing is eating.  A cap gun going off in the other room while the pup eats works great as you slowly shoot closer to the dog each meal.  Once I was shooting over my guy's head (a few weeks later), I took him outside with the .22 blanks again and it went much smoother.  Just ignore them if they look to you for comforting after the shot.

    coolcreekretrieversUser is Offline Pheasant Egg Pheasant Egg Send Private Message Posts:35 coolcreekretrievers
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    20 Oct 2009 06:22 PM
    Mutts can be good hunters, my very first hunting dog was a German Shepperd / lab mix great hunting dog. Especially with it being my first dog i had no idea how to train a dog, i just took here hunting and I guess she just figured it out on here own..lol
    www.coolcreekretrievers.com
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