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Last Post 01 Aug 2009 08:35 AM by llewellin. 20 Replies.
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BobUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:550 Bob
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09 Jul 2009 01:18 PM

    This is an old contraversy that has been asked many a times. This being a new site I wondered what your feelings would be. The Question Is; Which do you prefer your dog to hold steady for both FLush and Shot? Do you want it to hold until sent by command for the retireve? Or do you perfer, the dog just go with the bird on the flush? I will post more as answers are submitted.....Bob

    My Dog And I Are A Team. We Practice Every Day. I Always Trust Tony, He Knows More Than I do.
    Rizz1User is Offline Pheasant Egg Pheasant Egg Send Private Message Posts:2 Rizz1
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    15 Jul 2009 03:20 PM
    I want my dog to be steady to wing and shot! Dont move until I say move. You never know when there are more than one bird!
    PorknbeansUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:542 Porknbeans
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    16 Jul 2009 07:48 AM

    Unfortunately as much as I would love to have my dog steady to wing and shot, I haven't worked with her to be that way.  It has caused birds to be bumped and yelling to get her back.  I can't blame my dog, only myself though.

     

    Porknbeans Grand High Pooba of the Fraternal Order of Procrastinators
    BobUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:550 Bob
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    16 Jul 2009 10:36 AM
    Did you ever have a dog that did everything naturally. Well I am lucky to own one Tony. He has been Steady on Point , from 4 months. That is when he pointed his first Quail. The only way you can get him to move is for the bird to move. But when I cannot find the bird I tell him "Find It" and he will relocate and go back on point. I did not train him to do that he just does it.

    When he started to leave on the shot in his first season. I just let him go. I now find I like it. If a bird comes down crippled namely a Pheasant. I have seen them running before they hit the ground. With Tony right there where they land, it is not much of chase and he has them and is bringing it to me. A trainer friend of mine last season. Early season was very dry and scenting for the dogs was hard. He has his dog trained for AKC Field Trails. So it holds until commanded to go. He lost 2 birds neither dog could find. Tony on the birds I shot lost 0, he was there for them to hit the ground or soon after. I rest my case for going.....Bob
    My Dog And I Are A Team. We Practice Every Day. I Always Trust Tony, He Knows More Than I do.
    llewellinUser is Offline Happy Puppy Happy Puppy Send Private Message Posts:102 llewellin
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    16 Jul 2009 01:35 PM
    i want my dog to be steady to wing and shot. she is almost there she is steady to flush. she will hold point and will stay on even after someone flushes the bird. if no shots are fired she wil hold. she still has problems on the shot but that is being corrected and she is already making great strides in that. i believe if the dog has a good nose he/she will be able to find the bird despite the bird having a head start. also, you never know if there is another bird (especially when hunting quail) and i do not want her to bump it. plus it is a requirement in field trials and hunt tests. some argue that if the dog is steady to wing and shot it will have better marking ability i do not put to much stock in this but it may be a valid point.
    BobUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:550 Bob
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    16 Jul 2009 03:09 PM
    Did you ever hear of "The Outcast From Poker Flat." Well that is me when I hunt with my friends that have dogs that are steady, to wing and shot. Because on about the 3rd bird there steady dog is breaking right along with Tony. Jealousy run deep and when Tony is getting all the Retrieves. They do want there fair share. So I hunt one part of the field well away from the other hunter.

    Llew you are young and here is a learning pointer. When conditions are dry and I mean dry, no rain for a month. Even the best nose in the nation has trouble scenting the birds. I know the AKC rules all to well, but I think they are garbage and not really a true test of a dog. They have some stuff that has to be done I totally disagree with.....Bob
    My Dog And I Are A Team. We Practice Every Day. I Always Trust Tony, He Knows More Than I do.
    llewellinUser is Offline Happy Puppy Happy Puppy Send Private Message Posts:102 llewellin
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    16 Jul 2009 06:42 PM
    i understand that bob about the scent, i was wondering if someone would bring that up. i have heard this also. the other thing is i know dogs who have been shot when breaking after low birds. especially since we basically only hunt pen raised birds (except woodcock) which as most know they are a bi**h when it comes to trying to get them to fly like regular birds. it is good knowing your dog is not moving and chasing a bird that may be low and put them in danger. we will always watch out for the dog no matter what just because she is steady does not mean we forget about her safety and it does not mean we will take low shots on birds but it is a little added incentive for us to train her to be steady.

    and to each his own we all enjoy our bird dogs and it seems like we all have fairly talented bird dogs and it is basically our personnal preference.

    what do you see wrong with the akc standards? i am curious to here your opinion on this. i am knew to the hunt test and field trial game so any info would be great. i can say this since training with the field trial club i belong to my dog has improved immensely on how she handles birds. plus training for a field trial with this club and actually running the field trial is getting her on birds and that is what makes a bird dog (the birds)
    BobUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:550 Bob
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    16 Jul 2009 10:37 PM
    Let me put to you this way Llew, It is more the way the judges interpret and enforce the rules. Than the rules themselves. Around here you have to have a dog that you only can hunt with from horseback. That is just one, there are others....Bob
    My Dog And I Are A Team. We Practice Every Day. I Always Trust Tony, He Knows More Than I do.
    HillbillyUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:706 Hillbilly
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    17 Jul 2009 08:25 AM
    Most all my dogs hold till after the shot some still move but I don't care I hunt to many wild birds and I want the dog on the retrieve.
    Life's Short Play Hard
    llewellinUser is Offline Happy Puppy Happy Puppy Send Private Message Posts:102 llewellin
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    17 Jul 2009 11:37 AM
    i am more interested in the hunt tests than the field trials i like the hunt test format better and what they look for in the dog. my dogs first hunt test is in october and i am very excited.

    BobUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:550 Bob
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    17 Jul 2009 06:15 PM
    Are you talking NASTRA type tests Llew. Those I have watched and those I think are a fair test of what hunting should do.
    My Dog And I Are A Team. We Practice Every Day. I Always Trust Tony, He Knows More Than I do.
    llewellinUser is Offline Happy Puppy Happy Puppy Send Private Message Posts:102 llewellin
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    20 Jul 2009 10:07 AM
    no still talking akc. the main reason i like the akc hunt tests is that i dont have to use a horse
    BobUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:550 Bob
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    20 Jul 2009 11:29 AM

    Out here Llew, YOU walking with your bird dog type trials are very few. That is the major gripe here only the Handlers with Horses get to run dogs.

    My Dog And I Are A Team. We Practice Every Day. I Always Trust Tony, He Knows More Than I do.
    llewellinUser is Offline Happy Puppy Happy Puppy Send Private Message Posts:102 llewellin
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    20 Jul 2009 09:11 PM
    really? man thats a bummer. the club i am in is all about hunting and not just trialing which is good. they also do not get all worked up over the trials everyone is easy going and we have fun. i have heard some crazy stories about people getting way to competitive though. there are a couple master hunts and FC's in the group and i for one have learned alot from there owners. i wish we had nstra on the island but no dice.
    llewellinUser is Offline Happy Puppy Happy Puppy Send Private Message Posts:102 llewellin
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    20 Jul 2009 09:11 PM
    BTW bob that signature is great!
    PorknbeansUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:542 Porknbeans
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    21 Jul 2009 05:40 AM
    Llew, I agree. Nice tag Bob.
    Porknbeans Grand High Pooba of the Fraternal Order of Procrastinators
    BertUser is Offline Pheasant Chick Pheasant Chick Send Private Message Posts:51 Bert
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    31 Jul 2009 08:32 AM

    My dog is not steady to shot, when the bird is flushed he will watch the flight and proceed to retrieve the downed bird. If he happens to encounter another bird he will again watch the flight and shot but proceed to the area of the first downed bird.He seems to have an uncanny ability to mark these extra downed birds while on a different retrieve.

    If I don't allow him to follow thru on the second downed bird retrieve but proceed with our hunt, he will continue to hunt until you get to the area of the second downed bird and then complete the retrieve. This only works if the bird wasn't a runner.

    I've seen many birds hit the ground running that would of been lost if they didn't have a big black dog bearing down on them like a hockey player.

    NRA Life Member, NRA Cert. Personal Protection Pistol Instructor, NRA Cert. RSO, Class III RSO/KCR
    HillbillyUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:706 Hillbilly
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    31 Jul 2009 10:19 AM
    Well put Bert.
    Life's Short Play Hard
    BertUser is Offline Pheasant Chick Pheasant Chick Send Private Message Posts:51 Bert
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    31 Jul 2009 12:40 PM

    Thanks Hillbilly

    NRA Life Member, NRA Cert. Personal Protection Pistol Instructor, NRA Cert. RSO, Class III RSO/KCR
    BobUser is Offline Master Hunter Master Hunter Send Private Message Posts:550 Bob
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    31 Jul 2009 12:44 PM
    I agree Bert, I think Tony prefers them to come down running than dead. He gets to chase them and have a little more fun doing the retrieve. Short story. I had shot this Rooster close to a highway. It fluttered across the highway and landed next to creek. I had it Marked pretty well. So I took Tony who wanted to cross the highway anyway. Over top the spot. He found the bird and it fluttered back across the creek again. He caught up with it and was bring it back. to me. He got in the middle of the creek and decided he needed a drink. He put the bird down, still very much alive. The current and the bird swimming, they went down stream in a instant. Tony looked at that bird and got this; "What the Hell" Look on his face. He quickly ran down stream and got the bird. He just stood there he wanted a drink. But he didn't know what to do with the bird. I called him to "come to me". He brought me the bird and told him; Now go get your drink". He did and was happy.....Bob
    My Dog And I Are A Team. We Practice Every Day. I Always Trust Tony, He Knows More Than I do.
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